Julia in Action
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Christerart
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Julia in action and censuring of nudes
It's interesting to read these posts - here we are - a bunch of people who are supposed to be PHOTOGRAPHERS - ARTISTS - people who you would expect to be pushing and prodding and exporing what's ART or what THEIR singular view of what art is.
Instead what you find is a bunch of people more interested in making sure THEIR interpretation of what's MORAL or not should be adhered to - kind of reminds you of what happened to Picasso when he created cubism - oh no - that can't be art - how ugly, etc., etc....
So, just to stir the hornets nest a little I've created a page:
http://www.christerart.com/Fotose/fotosemain.htm
with a few images - 15 - a couple (Janell and her husband making love) that are pretty similar - on one the lens is moved a few inches - does that then make that particular image pornographic? - Or what about the girl with - yes - what is it - can it be - or is it? - is that image porno - or what about the last one - let's call it "Beth and hand" - is THAT one porn? If it is - why is that particular one hanging on quite a few walls around the world? Can it be that people - oh horrors! - have PORN on their walls? or is it as the young woman who commented to me: "that image is beautiful - it conveys tenderness to me - I love it"?
And which of these images are "correct" - any? - and if so - why?
It's interesting to read these posts - here we are - a bunch of people who are supposed to be PHOTOGRAPHERS - ARTISTS - people who you would expect to be pushing and prodding and exporing what's ART or what THEIR singular view of what art is.
Instead what you find is a bunch of people more interested in making sure THEIR interpretation of what's MORAL or not should be adhered to - kind of reminds you of what happened to Picasso when he created cubism - oh no - that can't be art - how ugly, etc., etc....
So, just to stir the hornets nest a little I've created a page:
http://www.christerart.com/Fotose/fotosemain.htm
with a few images - 15 - a couple (Janell and her husband making love) that are pretty similar - on one the lens is moved a few inches - does that then make that particular image pornographic? - Or what about the girl with - yes - what is it - can it be - or is it? - is that image porno - or what about the last one - let's call it "Beth and hand" - is THAT one porn? If it is - why is that particular one hanging on quite a few walls around the world? Can it be that people - oh horrors! - have PORN on their walls? or is it as the young woman who commented to me: "that image is beautiful - it conveys tenderness to me - I love it"?
And which of these images are "correct" - any? - and if so - why?
KGS
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yeah man that´s porn, some of it, but there are different kinds of porn as well... and all porn are not bad. But for a viewer it can be hard to catch what is and what is not, if it is a work of a photographer with good reputation I presume the model and the situation is okey with everyone involved.
The same picture in another context can be a disaster... but whatever, the model cannot be identified so she will probably not even know she´s around the net showing private parts...
Take famous Sally´s picures refered to earlier, if my neighbour took pictures like that he probably had to do time, even in Sweden! In the US he probably never would walk the streets again.
It seems like you and many other consider porn bad, automatically, like it was no matter of discussion. Maybe it is, but I don´t agree.
Probably you scream your heart out when I call some of your work "porn", just because you live in the country of total freedom, there almost everything is tabu. Strange world. But it is not the real world. It´s just America.
The same picture in another context can be a disaster... but whatever, the model cannot be identified so she will probably not even know she´s around the net showing private parts...
Take famous Sally´s picures refered to earlier, if my neighbour took pictures like that he probably had to do time, even in Sweden! In the US he probably never would walk the streets again.
It seems like you and many other consider porn bad, automatically, like it was no matter of discussion. Maybe it is, but I don´t agree.
Probably you scream your heart out when I call some of your work "porn", just because you live in the country of total freedom, there almost everything is tabu. Strange world. But it is not the real world. It´s just America.
christian veltman
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Christer,
your images are great
Porno or not?
For me it´s how the image is "treated".
If you had choosen to show your images unedited
I perhaps might look upon them differently.
Did you see the image the thread is about?
Best
C
your images are great
Porno or not?
For me it´s how the image is "treated".
If you had choosen to show your images unedited
I perhaps might look upon them differently.
Did you see the image the thread is about?
Best
C
Christerart
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I saw Julia in Action
Christian,
Thanks for your nice words about my images - they are but a few out of thousands - I suppose in a way I am what KG Stolt say - a published artist so I can get away with it - BUT - the question is WHAT is porn - and - no - I see "porn" as both good and bad - something that has existed as long as mankind has been able to make images of the naked body - I see it as a good safety valve for a lot of people - and a god send for many lonely ones - and perhaps sex educational for some. Oh Boy, I know I'm gonna get slapped for that!...=*^)
Some of my work is published as EROTICA - however - soneone else in this thread who thought the Julia image was porn was very appreciative of Herve - as far as I am concerned, what HE produces is porn - straight up and down images of young girls/women - often sitting or laying so you can see up their crotch - no attempt whatsoever to create anything artistic - just bang on straight! The Julia image was at least an attempt to DO something - the Herve stuff is there simply to get those who are interested in very young girls an excuse to look at them - art they are not!
I noticed KG Stolt simply labeled ALL of the images on my page as PORN - interesting - since there are some very "clean"images there - several where you can't even see as much as Herve shows - ie no vaginas - no pubic hair even - but he lumped them all together as PORN...=*^)
This is going to be interesting I think...
christian veltman skrev:
Christer,
your images are great
Porno or not?
For me it´s how the image is "treated".
If you had choosen to show your images unedited
I perhaps might look upon them differently.
Did you see the image the thread is about?
Best
C
Christian,
Thanks for your nice words about my images - they are but a few out of thousands - I suppose in a way I am what KG Stolt say - a published artist so I can get away with it - BUT - the question is WHAT is porn - and - no - I see "porn" as both good and bad - something that has existed as long as mankind has been able to make images of the naked body - I see it as a good safety valve for a lot of people - and a god send for many lonely ones - and perhaps sex educational for some. Oh Boy, I know I'm gonna get slapped for that!...=*^)
Some of my work is published as EROTICA - however - soneone else in this thread who thought the Julia image was porn was very appreciative of Herve - as far as I am concerned, what HE produces is porn - straight up and down images of young girls/women - often sitting or laying so you can see up their crotch - no attempt whatsoever to create anything artistic - just bang on straight! The Julia image was at least an attempt to DO something - the Herve stuff is there simply to get those who are interested in very young girls an excuse to look at them - art they are not!
I noticed KG Stolt simply labeled ALL of the images on my page as PORN - interesting - since there are some very "clean"images there - several where you can't even see as much as Herve shows - ie no vaginas - no pubic hair even - but he lumped them all together as PORN...=*^)
This is going to be interesting I think...
Christerart
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sotty KGS - I misread..=*^)
KG,
I reread and saw you actually wrote "some of it"..=*^)
If you have the time and inclination, please indicate which images are or are not porn - I think it would be interesting to keep a tally of what's porn and what's not - according to this forum..=*^)
KG,
I reread and saw you actually wrote "some of it"..=*^)
If you have the time and inclination, please indicate which images are or are not porn - I think it would be interesting to keep a tally of what's porn and what's not - according to this forum..=*^)
Christerart
Aktiv medlem
should be "sorry", of course
A typist I am not..=*^)
A typist I am not..=*^)
Christerart
Aktiv medlem
Julia in Action copy? shows you know what
OK, I added a few more images - now 20 and they are now numbered so you can readily identify whatever images raises your temperature - for good or worse...=*^)
IMage #20 is "somewhat" like "Julia in Action" - except here it is Sarah 3 ( I have two more models I work with named Sarah)...=*^) - here's one of the others in case you're curious:
http://www.christerart.com/newchristerwork/Images/intimateportraits/sarah/index.htm
So, let's hear the comments on Sarah 3 - and the others - remember, I'm a heck of a long ways away so there should be no fear of recriminations...=*^)
By the way - chilled Lady Godiva Liqueur poured on your partner - both here and there - and then licked off is sure to beat plain 'ol chocolate - dark or white - hands down - especially if tied down....
OK, I added a few more images - now 20 and they are now numbered so you can readily identify whatever images raises your temperature - for good or worse...=*^)
IMage #20 is "somewhat" like "Julia in Action" - except here it is Sarah 3 ( I have two more models I work with named Sarah)...=*^) - here's one of the others in case you're curious:
http://www.christerart.com/newchristerwork/Images/intimateportraits/sarah/index.htm
So, let's hear the comments on Sarah 3 - and the others - remember, I'm a heck of a long ways away so there should be no fear of recriminations...=*^)
By the way - chilled Lady Godiva Liqueur poured on your partner - both here and there - and then licked off is sure to beat plain 'ol chocolate - dark or white - hands down - especially if tied down....
KGS
Aktiv medlem
Re: sotty KGS - I misread..=*^)
I am not the man to do that, sorry, none of your pictures would disturb me and make me yell for censorship. Probably no picture would as long as it is just a picture.
The problem with porn is that you never know who benefits and who suffer for it. Rather often "models" are used and abused in that industry and knowing that makes me avoid (paying for) porn.
Established artists can get around that. I don´t think they abuse models. I guess they earn a fair deal of money too. And I hope they can tell the photographer not to use some pictures in public if they don´t like the image the picture creates of them...
If that´s the case with your pictures, and I suppose it is, they are absolutely ok with me. And actually, the same goes for "Julia in action" also. IMHO.
And yes, sometimes even porn can be educational, I wouldn´t ever have found out that special knot if I didn´t look closely ;-)
Keep on your work. I enjoy watching.
I am not the man to do that, sorry, none of your pictures would disturb me and make me yell for censorship. Probably no picture would as long as it is just a picture.
The problem with porn is that you never know who benefits and who suffer for it. Rather often "models" are used and abused in that industry and knowing that makes me avoid (paying for) porn.
Established artists can get around that. I don´t think they abuse models. I guess they earn a fair deal of money too. And I hope they can tell the photographer not to use some pictures in public if they don´t like the image the picture creates of them...
If that´s the case with your pictures, and I suppose it is, they are absolutely ok with me. And actually, the same goes for "Julia in action" also. IMHO.
And yes, sometimes even porn can be educational, I wouldn´t ever have found out that special knot if I didn´t look closely ;-)
Keep on your work. I enjoy watching.
fjalstal
Aktiv medlem
Så här är det:
1. Tokmörk choklad smakar som man säger i Dalsland: Raaaava.
2. Vin är förstörd saft.
3. Ostron får man salmonella av.
Smaken är ju som baken. För att få lite balans i diskussionen kan jag meddela att sensuellt i Bengtsfors (åtminstone i närheten av Folkets Park) inbegriper stora delar av följande ingredienser: Sprit (mycket sprit), närmaste orörda plats (oftast skogen) och ohemult mycket dansband. Envar kan nog tänka sig vad som då kan klassas som porr när normalsensuell nivå ligger på cirka "marskatt"-läge.
müsli
Avslutat medlemskap
Uj uj uj David. Trodde inte redaktionen var så inskränkt. Lite besviken.
"kräver en del för att använda på rätt sätt"??!!
Krävs det då att man är licensierad köns-fotograf för att få ha med ett vanligt könsorgan på bild, eller vad menar du egentligen?
Det är år 2004! Hur kan man idag reagera på ett könsorgan på bild??!!! De som inte klarar att se vad som helst på bild bör istället för fotosidan.se lämpligen gå till disney.com eller varför inte ikea.se. Men på ikea.se får dom väl se upp för eventuellt blottade ben på stolar och bord.
ruckman
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Fotosidan har över 30000 medelmmar och många som besöker sidan utan att vara medlemmar. Jag är övertygad om att några av dem är frireligösa, men jag förstår inte din poäng. Vad har det med diskussionen att göra?
Eller bostadsort? Vad spelar det för roll var man bor när man tittar på bilderna?
Johan Okker
Aktiv medlem
Jösses Roger. Väx upp!
Måste det till att vara frireligiös för att "bygga enorma minfält av meningslösa moraldefinitioner". Tror nog moralister finns i precis och exakt alla läger. Precis som fördomar. Så kasta nu inte sten i glashus!
